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Så, om naturkatastrofer inträffar dä folk lever i synd, så är det guds straff. Men när naturkatastroferna inträffar där folk lever enligt koranen och följer budorden, då är det bara en "olycka" eller slumpmässigt

Koran på svenska, läs och avgör själv, vill bara påpeka att det kan finnas fel i översättningen, detta är ingen koran översättning inte immun mot, bara så att du vet det

http://swedish.submission.info/koran/noframes/index.html



gud ger oss tips i koranen, hur man ska avgöra om boken komer från Gud, är om det finns fel och kontradiktioner kommer den inte från Gud




Islam är världens äldsta relgion, den härstammar från Adam, första människan , tro inte att islam komm med muhammed, muslimer och islam fanns förr i tiden, även jesus och hans lärjungar var muslimer

här säger en judisk rabbin att islam äldsta relgion enligt deras heliga skrifter , kolla på videon här







det finns, tro mig, ;)

ordet som används i orginal koranen är Semaa , både för universum, himmlen och skyn

nej, kan hända att de straffas på grund av något, det räcker bara att muslimerna inte uppmannar syndare att de inte gör synder är det ett skäl att alla blir straffade av gud både muslimer och icke muslimer som syndar, enligt profetens hadith.




detta är vad era kristna präster har lärt er, för att de är rädda för vetenskapen, medan koranen och vetenskap går hand i hand när det gäller astronomi, medicin, embrology, biologi, osv , förutom evolutionteorin.

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evolutionsteori är bara teori inget mer, och teori kan vara både falsk eller sant , många gånger tidigare under historien trodde forskare på att vissa skalleben tillhörde de tidiga människor, men sedan visade sig vara utdöda apor :S





jag det stämmer, Toran (gamla testamentet) och Jesus kristus evanglium , den bok som jesus fick och som inte finns idag, denna Nya testament som finns idag är inte den urspruingliga som jesus fick, denna skrevs långt efter jesu död. men vi muslimer tror på att Gud har gett Evangelium till jesus, en bok som var väg ledning för människorna. Detta som vi har idag har människorna förvanskat rejält, som man tappar bort sig totalt när man läser det, man vet inte vad som är sant och falsk längre, om man inte har någon referens , som vi muslimer har koranen som refrens för att korrigera bibel.

Koranen gavs ju till Mohammed på 600 talet nångång. Det betyder ju att Biblar från och före 600 talet är korrekta, Och om dom inte är det så betyder det att Koranen Ljuger?

Suomi_Finland

nej, du skämtar :)



man går till fängelse om man använder sådan logik som du gjorde nyss. jag är rädd att polisen knackar på din dörr ikväll och kastar dig in i deras bil kör dig rikt till flygplatsen och flyger dig till Hag tribunalen i Holland :P för att dömma dig för sådan uttalande :P hehheheh


Hur många vagnskämpar tillfångatog David av Hadadeser?
1700 eller 7000 ???

2 Sam 8:4 "David tillfångatog 1 700 vagnskämpar och 20 000 fotsoldater och lät skära av senorna på alla vagnshästarna utom hundra."

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1 Krö 18:4 "David tog 1 000 vagnar, 7 000 vagnskämpar och 20 000 fotsoldater och lät skära av senorna på alla vagnshästarna utom hundra."

detta är bevis på männsklig förvanskning av bibeln, som Gud har informerat oss om




koranen säger att Gud skickade toran och evangeliet, och att folk sedan förvanskade böckerna därför var Gud tvungen att skicka en ny bok, Sista testamnetet, Koranen

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Suomi_Finland

du har tolkat fel ;) som jag sade bibeln är förvanskad, och jag gav dig bara ett exempel av hundratals fel och kontradiktioner i bibeln.

Koranen erkänner att Gud har uppenbarat Tora och Evegelium , och som sedan förvanskades av människor. Är detta svårt att förstå ???

Suomi_Finland

ja, många testament togs bort för att det inte passade de kristna läran, t.ex barnabas evnagelium, som jag tror är den ända rätta från jesu tid, och som vi muslimer accepterar som sant

Här kan du läsa Barnabas evangelium, som jag håller på och läser nu för tiden, här kan du även läsa om att Jesus aldriig korsfästes utan det var Judas som Gud lät förvandlas till jesus, att de tog Judas istället för jesus, på så sätt straffades judas av Gud för hans svek mot jesus, och därför sade han Eli Eli lema sabahtani , Min Gu Min Gud varför har du övergivit mig , och kristna torr att detta sade jesus, men kan du tänka dig en guds profet säga varför har du övergivit mig, helt ologiskt tcker jag

Läs Barnabas evenagelium här, Barnabas var en av jesus lärjungar, och som följde jesus under hans tid
http://barnabas.net/chapters.html

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Det första konciliet i Nicaea, som ägde rum i Nicaea mellan den 20 maj och 25 juli 325 under kejsar Konstantin den stores regeringstid, var det första ekumeniska (av grekiska oikumene ’världsomfattande’) kyrkomötet där omkring 250 kristna biskopar från hela romerska riket deltog. Syftet med kyrkomötet i Nicaea var att skapa en gemensam troslära för hela kristenheten, och bl.a. avgjordes frågan om Jesu gudomlighet genom omröstning (alla utom två röstade för)[1]. Ett resultat av konciliet var att det som inte överenskommits skulle betraktas som kätteri och förkastas, och om nödvändigt utrotas.

Suomi_Finland

För att det är saning i den , Barnabas evengelium lärs ut i kurser också på islamiska universitet som jag hört. Den är inte dimpad från himlen men den talar saning iallafall och jag kunde inte se några kontradiktioner i den som jag kunde se när jag läste bibeln.

Riktigt bra bok, rekomenderar starkt. Iden kan man se den sanna jesus, vad som verkligen hände under hans liv. Den håller med koranen att jesus aldrig korsfästes utan Gud räddade honom och på så sätt förnedrade Gud jesus fiender.


How the Gospel of Barnabas Survived


The Gospel of Barnabas was accepted as a Canonical Gospel in the Churches of Alexandria till 325 C.E. Iranaeus (130-200) wrote in support of pure monotheism and opposed Paul for injecting into Christianity doctrines of the pagan Roman religion and Platonic philosophy. He had quoted extensively from the Gospel of Barnabas in support of his views. This shows that the Gospel of Barnabas was in circulation in the first and second centuries of Christianity

In 325 C.E., the Nicene Council was held, where it was ordered that all original Gospels in Hebrew script should be destroyed. An Edict was issued that any one in possession of these Gospels will be put to death.

In 383 C.E., the Pope secured a copy of the Gospel of Barnabas and kept it in his private library.

In the fourth year of Emperor Zeno (478 C.E. ), the remains of Barnabas were discovered and there was found on his breast a copy of the Gospel of Barnabas written by his own hand. (Acia Sanctorum Boland Junii Tom II, Pages 422 and 450. Antwerp 1698) . The famous Vulgate Bible appears to be based on this Gospel.

Pope Sixtus (1585-90) had a friend, Fra Marino. He found the Gospel of Barnabas in the private library of the Pope. Fra Marino was interested because he had read the writings of Iranaeus where Barnabas had been profusely quoted. The Italian manuscript passed through different hands till it reached "a person of great name and authority" in Amsterdam, "who during his life time was often heard to put a high value to this piece". After his death it came in the possession of J. E. Cramer, a Councillor of the King of Prussia. In 1713 Cramer presented this manuscript to the famous connoisseur of books, Prince Eugene of Savoy. In 1738 along with the library of the Prince it found its way into Hofbibliothek in Vienna. There it now rests.

Toland, in his "Miscellaneous Works" (published posthumously in 1747), in Vol. I, page 380, mentions that the Gospel of Barnabas was still extant. In Chapter XV he refers to the Glasian Decree of 496 C.E. where "Evangelium Barnabe" is included in the list of forbidden books. Prior to that it had been forbidden by Pope Innocent in 465 C.E. and by the Decree of the Western Churches in 382 C.E.

Barnabas is also mentioned in the Stichometry of Nicephorus Serial No. 3, Epistle of Barnabas . . . Lines 1, 300.
Then again in the list of Sixty Books
Serial No. 17. Travels and teaching of the Apostles.
Serial No. 18. Epistle of Barnabas.
Serial No. 24. Gospel According to Barnabas.
A Greek version of the Gospel of Barnabas is also found in a solitary fragment. The rest is burnt.

The Latin text was translated into English by Mr. and Mrs. Ragg and was printed at the Clarendon Press in Oxford. It was published by the Oxford University Press in 1907. This English translation mysteriously disappeared from the market. Two copies of this translation are known to exist, one in the British Museum and the other in the Library of the Congress, Washington, DC. The first edition was from a micro-film copy of the book in the Library of the Congress, Washington, DC.


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This text is taken from the book published by The Quran Council of Pakistan, 11 A, 4th North Street, Defence Housing Society, Karachi-4, Pakistan.

När det gäller Nicaea så var kanon redan fastställd, så det spelar egentligen ingen roll vad dom bestämde, det ända dom gjorde var att samman ställa det som redan var sammanställt.

Om treenigheten är sann så skulle det förklara varför jesus sade ''Min Gud varför har du övergivit mig''

Och om det var Judas som dog på korset hur kunde han då uppstå från döden?

Suomi_Finland

jag har läst, och direkt såg jag hur de försöker smyga undan :P

genom att lägga in ordet chariots

2 Samuel 8:4 (4)And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: and David houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred chariots.


det här var en av de sämsta förklaringar jag sett i mitt liv, man kan inte bara lägga in ord hur lätt som helst för att dölja felet , herregud

Jag accepterar bara en förklaring i detta fall, ifall du visar mig orginal text där det står tydligt att i båda verserna är antigen 1700 eller 7000 , och att de skrev fel vid översättningen, då accepterar jag förklaringen fullständigt. men så här att lägga in extra ord för att dölja fel , nej, det går inte och föresten

Hur gammal var Ahasja när han började regera? 22 eller 42 år ?

2 Kung 8:26 "Ahasja var tjugotvå år när han blev kung, och han regerade ett år i Jerusalem. Hans mor hette Atalja och hon var dotter till Omri, Israels kung."*

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2 Krön 22:2 "Han var fyrtiotvå år när han blev kung och han regerade ett år i Jerusalem. Hans mor hette Atalja, Omris dotter."*

????? det finns massor av sådana fel i bibeln, att det skulle vara översättnings fel kan inte vara sant, det är bara att accepetera at människorna har förvanskat bibeln rejält



Men problemet är att trenigheten är falsk, var står det i bibeln att jesus säger, jag, fadern och heliga anden är en och samma person/varelse ????

Men om någon säger jesus = fadern enligt trenigheten, då säger jesus att du ljuger eftersom jesus sade att fadern är större en jesus, alltså
Jesus < fadern och inte Jesus =Fadern





här berättar Barnabas hur det gick till, i hans evengelium

215: Divine Rescue of Jesus

When the soldiers with Judas drew near to the place where Jesus was, Jesus heard the approach of many people, wherefore in fear he withdrew into the house. And the eleven were sleeping. Then God, seeing the danger of his servant, commanded Gabriel;, Michael;, Rafael;, and Uriel, his ministers, to take Jesus out of the world. The holy angels came and took Jesus out by the window that looks toward the South;. They bare him and placed him in the third heaven in the company of angels blessing God for evermore.


216: Judas Transformed

Judas entered impetuously before all into the chamber whence Jesus had been taken up. And the disciples were sleeping. Whereupon the wonderful God acted wonderfully, insomuch that Judas was so changed in speech and in face to be like Jesus that we believed him to be Jesus. And he, having awakened us, was seeking where the Master was. Whereupon we marvelled, and answered: 'You, Lord, are our master; have you now forgotten us?'

And he, smiling, said: 'Now are you foolish, that know not me to be Judas Iscariot!' And as he was saying this the soldiery entered, and laid their hands upon Judas, because he was in every way like to Jesus. We having heard Judas' saying, and seeing the multitude of soldiers, fled as beside ourselves. And John, who was wrapped in a linen cloth, awoke and fled, and when a soldier seized him by the linen cloth he left the linen cloth and fled naked. For God heard the prayer of Jesus, and saved the eleven from evil.


217: Judas was Crucified

The soldiers took Judas ;and bound him, not without derision. For he truthfully denied that he was Jesus; and the soldiers, mocking him, said: 'Sir, fear not, for we are come to make you king of Israel, and we have bound you because we know that you do refuse the kingdom.' Judas answered: 'Now have you lost your senses! You are come to take Jesus of Nazareth;, with arms and lanterns as [against] a robber; and you have bound me that have guided you, to make me king!'
Then the soldiers lost their patience, and with blows and kicks they began to flout Judas, and they led him with fury into Jerusalem. John ;and Peter ;followed the soldiers afar off; and they affirmed to him who writes that they saw all the examination that was made of Judas by the high priest, and by the council of the Pharisees, who were assembled to put Jesus to death. Whereupon Judas spoke many words of madness, insomuch that every one was filled with laughter, believing that he was really Jesus, and that for fear of death he was feigning madness. Whereupon the scribes bound his eyes with a bandage, and mocking him said: 'Jesus, prophet of the Nazarenes ;(for so they called them who believed in Jesus), 'tell us, who was it that smote you?' And they buffeted him and spat in his face.

When it was morning there assembled the great council of scribes and elders of the people; and the high priest with the Pharisees sought false witness against Judas, believing him to be Jesus: and they found not that which they sought. And why say I that the chief priests believed Judas to be Jesus? No all the disciples, with him who writes, believed it; and more, the poor Virgin mother of Jesus, with his kinsfolk and friends, believed it, insomuch that the sorrow of every one was incredible.

As God lives, he who writes forgot all that Jesus had said: how that he should be taken up from the world, and that he should suffer in a third person, and that he should not die until near the end of the world. Wherefore he went with the mother of Jesus and with John to the cross. The high priest caused Judas ;to be brought before him bound, and asked him of his disciples and his doctrine. Whereupon Judas, as though beside himself, answered nothing to the point. The high priest then adjured him by the living God of Israel that he would tell him the truth.

Judas answered: 'I have told you that I am Judas Iscariot, who promised to give into your hands Jesus the Nazarene; and you, by what are I know not, are beside yourselves, for you will have it by every means that I am Jesus.' The high priest answered: 'O perverse seducer, you have deceived all Israel, beginning from Galilee ;even to Jerusalem here, with your doctrine and false miracles: and now think you to flee the merited punishment that befits you by feigning to be mad?

As God lives,' you shall not escape it!' And having said this he commanded his servants to smite him with buffetings and kicks, so that his understanding might come back into his head. The derision which he then suffered at the hands of the high priest's servants is past belief. For they zealously devised new inventions to give pleasure to the council. So they attired him as a juggler, and so treated him with hands and feet that it would have moved the very Canaanites to compassion if they had beheld that sight. But the chief priests and Pharisees and elders of the people had their hearts so exasperated against Jesus that, believing Judas to be really Jesus, they took delight in seeing him so treated.

Afterwards they led him bound to the governor, who secretly loved Jesus. Whereupon he, thinking that Judas was Jesus, made him enter into his chamber, and spoke to him, asking him for what cause the chief priests and the people had given him into his hands. Judas answered: 'If I tell you the truth, you will not believe me; for perhaps you are deceived as the (chief) priests and the Pharisees are deceived.'

The governor answered (thinking that he wished to speak concerning the Law): 'Now know you not that I am not a Jew? but the (chief) priests and the elders of your people have given you into my hand; wherefore tell us the truth, wherefore I may do what is just. For I have power to set you free and to put you to death.' Judas answered: 'Sir, believe me, if you put me to death, you shall do a great wrong, for you shall slay an innocent person; seeing that I am Judas ;Iscariot, and not Jesus, who is a magician, and by his are has so transformed me.'

When he heard this the governor marvelled greatly, so that he sought to set him at liberty. The governor therefore went out, and smiling said: 'In the one case, at least, this man is not worthy of death, but rather of compassion.' 'This man says,' said the governor, 'that he is not Jesus, but a certain Judas who guided the soldiery to take Jesus, and he says that Jesus the Galilean has by his are magic so transformed him. Wherefore, if this be true, it were a great wrong to kill him, seeing that he were innocent. But if he is Jesus and denies that he is, assuredly he has lost his understanding, and it were impious to slay a madman.'

Then the chief priests and elders of the people, with the scribes and Pharisees, cried out with shouts, saying: 'He is Jesus of Nazareth;, for we know him; for if he were not the malefactor we would not have given him into your hands. Nor is he mad; but rather malignant, for with this device he seeks to escape from our hands, and the sedition that he would stir up if he should escape would be worse than the former.' Pilate (of such was the governor's name), in order to rid himself of such a case, said: 'He is a Galilean, and Herod is king of Galilee: wherefore it pertains not to me to judge such a case, so take you him to Herod.'

Accordingly they led Judas to Herod, who of a long time had desired that Jesus should go to his house. But Jesus had never been willing to go to his house, because Herod was a Gentile, and adored the false and lying gods, living after the manner of the unclean Gentiles. Now when Judas had been led thither, Herod asked him of many things, to which Judas gave answers not to the purpose, denying that he was Jesus. Then Herod mocked him, with all his court, and caused him to be clad in white as the fools are clad;, and sent him back to Pilate, saying to him, 'Do not fail in justice to the people of Israel!' * And this Herod wrote, because the chief priests and scribes and the Pharisees had given him a good quantity of money. The governor having heard that this was so from a servant of Herod, in order that he also might gain some money, feigned that he desired to set Judas at liberty.

Whereupon he caused him to be scourged by his slaves, who were paid by the scribes to slay him under the scourges. But God, who had decreed the issue, reserved Judas for the cross, in order that he might suffer that horrible death to which he had sold another. He did not suffer Judas to die under the scourges, notwithstanding that the soldiers scourged him so grievously that his body rained blood. Thereupon, in mockery they clad him in an old purple garment;, saying: 'It is fitting to our new king to clothe him and crown him': so they gathered thorns and made a crown, like those of gold and precious stones which kings wear on their heads. And this crown of thorns they placed upon Judas' head, putting in his hand a reed for sceptre;, and they made him sit in a high place.

And the soldiers came before him, bowing down in mockery, saluting him as King of the Jews. And they held out their hands to receive gifts, such as new kings are accustomed to give; and receiving nothing they smote Judas, saying: 'Now, how are you crowned, foolish king, if you will not pay your soldiers and servants?' *The chief priests with the scribes and Pharisees, seeing that Judas died not by the scourges, and fearing lest Pilate should set him at liberty, made a gift of money to the governor, who having received it gave Judas to the scribes and Pharisees as guilty to death. Whereupon they condemned two robbers with him to the death of the cross.

So they led him to Mount Calvary, where they used to hang malefactors, and there they crucified him naked;, for the greater ignominy. *Judas truly did nothing else but cry out: 'God, why have you forsaken me, seeing the malefactor has escaped and I die unjustly?' *Truly I say that the voice, the face, and the person of Judas were so like to Jesus, that his disciples and believers entirely believed that he was Jesus; wherefore some departed from the doctrine of Jesus, believing that Jesus had been a false prophet, and that by art magic he had done the miracles which he did: for Jesus had said that he should not die till near the end of the world; for that at that time he should be taken away from the world.

But they that stood firm in the doctrine of Jesus were so encompassed with sorrow, seeing him die who was entirely like to Jesus, that they remembered not what Jesus had said. And so in company with the mother of Jesus they went to Mount Calvary, and were not only present at the death of Judas, weeping continually, but by means of Nicodemus and Joseph of Abarimathia; they obtained from the governor the body of Judas to bury it. Whereupon, they took him down from the cross with such weeping as assuredly no one would believe, and buried him in the new sepulchre of Joseph; having wrapped him up in an hundred pounds of precious ointments


218: Body of Judas Stolen

Then returned each man to his house. He who writes, with John and James his brother, went with the mother of Jesus; to Nazareth.

Those disciples who did not fear God went by night [and] stole the body of Judas and hid it, spreading a report that Jesus was risen again; whence great confusion arose. The high priest then commanded, under pain of anathema;, that no one should talk of Jesus of Nazareth;. And so there arose a great persecution, and many were stoned and many beaten, and many banished from the land, because they could not hold their peace on such a matter.

The news reached Nazareth how that Jesus, their fellow citizen, having died on the cross was risen again. Whereupon, he that writes; prayed the mother of Jesus; that she would be pleased to leave off weeping, because her son was risen again. Hearing this, the Virgin Mary, weeping, said: 'Let us go to Jerusalem to find my son. I shall die content when I have seen him.'


219: Jesus appeareth to his mother and his disciples

The Virgin returned to Jerusalem with him who writes, and James and John, on that day on which the decree of the high priest went forth. Whereupon, the Virgin, who feared God, albeit she knew the decree of the high priest to be unjust, commanded those who dwelt with her to forget her son. Then how each one was affected! God who discerns the heart of men knows that between grief at the death of Judas whom we believed to be Jesus our master, and the desire to see him risen again, we, with the mother of Jesus, were consumed.
So the angels that were guardians of Mary ascended to the third heaven;, where Jesus was in the company of angels, and recounted all to him. Wherefore Jesus prayed God that he would give him power to see his mother and his disciples. Then the merciful God commanded his four favourite angels, who are Michael, Gabriel, Rafael;, and Uriel, to bear Jesus into his mother's house, and there keep watch over him for three days continually, suffering him only to be seen by them that believed in his doctrine.

Jesus came, surrounded with splendour, to the room where abode Mary the Virgin with her two sisters, and Martha and Mary Magdalen, and Lazarus, and him who writes, and John and James and Peter. Whereupon, through fear they fell as dead. And Jesus lifted up his mother and the others from the ground, saying: 'Fear not, for I am Jesus; and weep not, for I am alive and not dead.' They remained every one for a long time beside himself at the presence of Jesus, for they altogether believed that Jesus was dead. Then the Virgin, weeping, said: 'Tell me, my son, wherefore God, having given you power to raise the dead. suffered you to die, to the shame of your kinsfolk and friends, and to the shame of your doctrine? For every one that loves you has been as dead.'


Och om du undrar om detta är sant, då ska du veta att Gud har bekräftat det i koranen angående korsfästelsen , dett säger Gud i koranen


Gud säger i kroanen om detta:

[4:157] Och för att ha påstått att de dödat Messias, Jesus, Marias son, GUDs budbärare. I själva verket dödade de honom aldrig - de fick tro att de gjorde det. Alla grupper som tvistar i denna fråga är fulla av tvivel om detta. De har ingen kunskap; de bara gissar. Absolut dödade de honom aldrig.*
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[4:158] I stället upphöjde GUD honom till Sig; GUD är Allsmäktig, Visast.


Här ser vi tydlig koppling vad Gud säger och det som Barnabas berättar i hans evnagelium.

faller bitar nu på plats min vän ;) förstår du nu vem som sade


*Judas truly did nothing else but cry out: 'God, why have you forsaken me, seeing the malefactor has escaped and I die unjustly?' *Truly I say that the voice, the face, and the person of Judas were so like to Jesus, that his disciples and believers entirely believed that he was Jesus; wherefore some departed from the doctrine of Jesus, believing that Jesus had been a false prophet, and that by art magic he had done the miracles which he did

ser du logiken nu i det hela , min vän ;)

220: Jesus and the Four Angels

Jesus replied, embracing his mother: 'Believe me, mother, for truly I say to you that I have not been dead at all; for God has reserved me till near the end of the world.' And having said this he prayed the four angels that they would manifest themselves, and give testimony how the matter had passed.

Thereupon the angels manifested themselves like four shining suns, insomuch that through fear every one again fell down as dead. Then Jesus gave four linen cloths to the angels that they might cover themselves, in order that they might be seen and heard to speak by his mother and her companions. And having lifted up each one, he comforted them, saying: 'These are the ministers of God: Gabriel, who announces God's secrets; Michael, who fights against God's enemies; Rafael, who receives the souls of them that die; and Uriel, who will call every one to the judgment of God at the last day. Then the four angels narrated to the Virgin how God had sent for Jesus, and had transformed Judas, that he might suffer the punishment to which he had sold another.

Then said he who writes: 'O Master, is it lawful for me to question you now, as it was lawful for me when you dwelt with us?' Jesus answered: 'Ask what you please, Barnabas, and I will answer you.' Then said he who writes: 'O Master, seeing that God is merciful, wherefore has he so tormented us, making us to believe that you were dead? and your mother has so wept for you that she has been near to death; and you, who are an holy one of God, on you has God suffered to fall the calumny that you were slain amongst robbers ;on the Mount Calvary?'

Jesus answered: 'Believe me, Barnabas, that every sin, however small it be, God punishes with great punishment, seeing that God is offended at sin. Wherefore, since my mother and my faithful disciples that were with me loved me a little with earthly love, the righteous God has willed to punish this love with the present grief, in order that it may not be punished in the flames of hell.

And though I have been innocent in the world, since men have called me "God," and "Son of God," God, in order that I be not mocked of the demons on the day of judgment, has willed that I be mocked of men in this world by the death of Judas;, making all men to believe that I died upon the cross. And this mocking shall continue until the advent of Muhammad, the Messenger of God, who, when he shall come, shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God's Law. Having thus spoken, Jesus said: 'You are just, O Lord our God, because to you only belongs honour and glory without end.'

Du läste uppenbarligen mycket slarvigt. Ordet chariot skall vara med.



Orginal texterna hade han med längst ner,vilket tyder på att du inte läst det överhuvudtaget.


Omri och Ahas och gänget: http://www.scribd.com/doc/15281186/How-Old-Was-Ahaziah-2-Kings-and-2-Chronicles

Suomi_Finland

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jag har läst, jag tror at jag har dödat en milijard hjärnceller med de två texterna, jag har ansträngt mig rejält för att förstå deras förklaringar, men jag förstod ingeting, om du kan så vill jag att du förklarar i klartext det de säger

jag tror att de två texterna är bara för att smyga undan problemen i bibeln, jag är defititivt inte nöjd med svaren.

ibn abbas tolkning var som jag minns rätt, jorden skapades 2 dagar/perioder, samtidigt skapades berg och annat under de två perioderna, och sedan sedan fortsatte skapelse att forma bergen ytterliggare 2 perioder/dagar, och himmlen skapades under 2 perioder/dagar

medan in tolkning var det där med 0,33 , som kan vara falskt, jag är inte imun mot fel, bara så attt du vet.

jasså, har du sett mig någon gång med en pistol mot pannan på några av hamsterpaj debatörar, där jag sade, tro på mig annars skjuter jag er ??????

Hur fan kan jag tvinga någon här ??? Inte bara det, Gud förbjuder att någon ska tvingas i islam. Det är bara så att jag tror starkt på koranen , that's it.

Sen med hästarna, så har det faktiskt skett enligt mig, betydelselöst misstag. Men felet finns finns inte i alla Biblar och inte heller i grundtexten så dom som vill lösa gåtan så kan, men ärligt talat vad spelar det för roll hur många hästar? Nåja....

misstaget är då att man har multiplicerat antalet Horsemen och Chariots(1000+700=1700) fast det skall vara 1000 Chariots och 700 Horsemen. Man kan lätt räkna ut hur många horsemen som hör till varje Chariot, om man inte sov på matte lektionen. 7000/1000.

7000/1000=7 vilket betyder att varje Chariot har 7 Horsemen.
Det står att han behöll 100 Chariots, och då skulle han behöva 700 horsemen kvar också.

Vilket visar att den ena författaren berättar om hur många han fångade totalt(7000), och den andra berättar om hur många han tog i bruk (700) tack vare att vi har historien ur flera perspektiv kan vi också försöka förstå den bättre om vi vill.

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